Vice Style

What style of underwear do you go for?
I like clothes that I feel women of my age might wear. I like polyester, silks, satins, floral, sheer, nets, and frills. I have literally bags and bags of negligees that I have collected over time.

So other than eBay, where do you shop?
I like vintage shops. There are so many, all over London. I do enjoy going into the shops and trying on the dresses, as long as the shop assistant is a woman, but I’m quite happy to shop online. I get a kick out of the actual shopping part too.

You're definitely straight then?
I’m totally straight. I do have a feminine side, which I am quite happy to explore and enjoy, but I have no interest whatsoever in going to bed with a man. I have loads of men in my life; I adore my male friends. You know, we have beers together and watch the football together—we do man things, but we don’t do sex.

So you talk about sex with your guy friends?
Yes, we say things like, "Out the window, over your shoulder," and "Look at the tits on that."

Do they know about the cross-dressing?
Sort of, but I turn it into a joke. I think they know I actually do cross-dress, but they’ve never seen any evidence. I don’t like it when they try and embarrass me in front of women and warn them to stay away.

If men know about this, does that turn you on?
No, this is a strictly women-only fantasy.

Do you think it excites some women?
There must be women out there who like to dominate men; I’d like one to piss in my mouth, but I don’t think there are really women who are turned on by the dresses themselves, no.

And you wear women’s clothes to bed?
No, I sleep naked.

If you were the last person left on the planet, would you still wear women’s clothes or do you do it because they’re forbidden and it’s humiliating?
Women’s underwear is just more comfortable and makes me feel good. Soft things are comforting. When I come and see you, Hannah—at your work or when we go out for dinner—and I wear a skirt, I feel comfortable. Even standing on the street having a cigarette, people don’t seem to even notice, but as soon as I’m on my own I feel totally self-conscious.

Is the fetish the self-consciousness or is it the feminine fantasy?
I went to a cross-dressing club in Kings Cross and I got changed when I got there. It was full of transvestites who were trying to look like girls. I never try to look like a woman, I just wear women’s clothes. The club wasn't much fun, so it must be the self-consciousness.

What looks good on girls then?
Those swishy skirts in the summer and the way the fabric moves from side to side—that’s very sexy.

Thanks for dinner, Lucie.